BassChickGD
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Post by BassChickGD on Jan 25, 2008 11:54:27 GMT -5
So, Have you ever noticed that when there's a group of people and there's an emergency situation, most of the time no one acts on it? It drives me crazy when people chose to observe these things instead of getting involved. I bring this up because last night I took my not so little younger cousin to the Haste the Day/ Scary Kids Scaring Kids show for his Xmas gift. About half way through the opening bands first song this young girl, maybe 16, starts pushing through the crowd and makes her way toward the front, she ended up like 2 people in front of me. She was clearly intoxicated or drugged and she started jumping around and going nuts and then all the sudden just collapsed. Everyone just fucking stared at her! So I got up to her and she wasn't responsive and barely breathing. And still everyone around me is staring with these clueless faces! So I put her in the rescue position and ran to get a bouncer. Security took her away to get medical help and then all these people started boo-ing me. Because I turned her in!!!!!! I couldn't believe it, I totally flipped out because how was I supposed to know what this girl had in her, I wasn't gonna watch her OD on the floor while people walked around her. phew, I had to get that rant out. Has anyone ever witnessed or been involved in a situation like that?
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damarust
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Post by damarust on Jan 25, 2008 18:50:02 GMT -5
wow, not at all. i would actually help out too. here ppl help out a lot. i think one time almost the same thing happened, but another guy got there first, so i jsut backed off.
anyways, yeah. girls always get hammered and no one controls them.
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Post by credo on Jan 26, 2008 4:18:40 GMT -5
That is so ridiculous. I would act, but I'm a trained first aider, never had the opportunity to do so though.
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BassChickGD
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Post by BassChickGD on Jan 27, 2008 12:21:25 GMT -5
Yeah I got certified and everything but honestly I forget how to do CPR and all that stuff.
It's a shame the girl was so young and there was no way of telling if she had friends with her or anything. If she did it's so wrong that her friends just let her go nuts and run off like that.
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Post by 11th Street Kid on Jan 29, 2008 13:42:05 GMT -5
You did a good thing.
I'd do the best I can in a situation like that. I really have no training whatsoever though.
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Post by credo on Feb 1, 2008 10:17:45 GMT -5
It's not to hard to get first aid classes if you wanted some. What about St John's? That's where I got mine
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dom
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Post by dom on Feb 24, 2008 12:01:18 GMT -5
I act in emergency situations daily, but hey, that's why I'm there.
Even in an ideal situation there where people would want to act, there's not much anyone could have done. You said she was barely breathing. Okay, that's an emergency, but unless you happen to have a bag valve mask and a tank of O2 on you, you're really not better off than anyone else there. Maintain an open airway, and turn her head if she vomits. Send someone to call 911, and send someone with that person to make sure they actually do it.
The strange thing is, if you're acting off duty and someone else decides that they know more than you and they obviously do not. Example; Came across someone having a grand-mal seizure. Actually witnessed the fall. This guy decided that he NEEDED to put something in the seizing person's mouth to stop them from biting their tongue. He got indignant with me when I told him to just leave the person alone.
Basically, I was there and assumed care of the patient because I acted when I told people to leave the seizing guy alone, which means I'm stuck there until I can transfer care to someone of equal or better quality. If I were to leave, I could be charged with abandonment.
Some states have a Duty to Act statute for all licensed EMS personnel. Mine is not one of them. I've ignored severe car accidents in the past while off-duty, and probably will ignore more in the future just because the level of care needed is outside of what I am comfortable providing by myself and the scene is often unsafe.
I also witness people that don't act quite a bit. They're afraid of getting sued, or just don't function in situations like that. Generally, once someone acts, everyone else assumes the situation is being handled and doesn't get involved. It's unfortunate, but it's human nature.
By the way, I am an EMT-Specialist (NREMT-85/GEMS/PEPP).
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Post by credo on Feb 24, 2008 14:45:25 GMT -5
All I have to my name is a qualification in first aid from about eight years of St John Ambulance Cadets but I mean, no one whipped their phones out either!! I guess in certain situations it's better not to interfere but simple manners seem to be declining steadily these days. I can't remember the last time someone said thanks to me opening a door for them.
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Post by BassChickGD on Feb 24, 2008 18:10:03 GMT -5
Yeah I know what you're saying about law suits and what not. Situations like that can be kind of of iffy. But these kids were just staring and walking around her, ugh I hate stupid people.
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dom
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Post by dom on Feb 25, 2008 14:40:27 GMT -5
In the US and Canada, if you are not emergency service personnel, you're protected under something called the Good Samaritan Law. Basically, if you're acting in good intentions and according to your level of training, you're not responsible for the death or further harm caused to the person as long as it's not intentionally caused.
Depending on where your at, only people with first aid certifications may be protected. In other areas, everybody is.
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Post by credo on Feb 26, 2008 7:36:09 GMT -5
I'd like to know what laws in Britain are on that. Though I have a feeling it's more like the American one than Canadian.
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dom
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Post by dom on Feb 27, 2008 14:07:51 GMT -5
I'd like to know what laws in Britain are on that. Though I have a feeling it's more like the American one than Canadian. I don't know what Britain's laws are on the issue. Even here in the US, the laws vary slightly from state to state. Here's a good summary of the law in the US, though:
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Post by gigi on Feb 29, 2008 19:43:44 GMT -5
anyways, yeah. girls always get hammered and no one controls them.
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Post by credo on Mar 3, 2008 9:40:39 GMT -5
Yeah, it's many a night you go wild and trump some man in the toilet isn't it Sarah?
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Post by gigi on Mar 5, 2008 18:06:00 GMT -5
Not if I have a man nearby to "control me."
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